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標題: 低能仔張宇人，好心你落台啦，系度辦曬野kaikai地 [打印本頁]

作者: cnwing@hk 時間: 10-5-27 07:38 PM 標題: 低能仔張宇人，好心你落台啦，系度辦曬野kaikai地

張宇人系電視節目度串柒柒咁，又問二十一，二蚊過唔到生活咩?如果過唔到點解又會黎做，你情我願姐! 我想話：死開啦on9仔，人地唔想無左份工炸，而且佢地又唔系大學生，唔做呢d去做咩啊，你系咪kai大?你情我願

，發夢啦白痴仔，你自己開一間時新24同33蚊ge店睇下d人去邊度做lo

仲話咩+人工會出現倒閉潮有17萬人無野做我信你老鼠啊，人系黎創造奇蹟架kai兜我比時新二十一蚊你黎同我做12個中lo 低能到爆

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 07:42 PM

less able ones have no choices and they have to just accept their destiny...

作者: 龍仔(G) 時間: 10-5-27 07:42 PM

講得好,將佢降到21蚊人工就岩

作者: sjason2 時間: 10-5-27 07:43 PM

個題目我仲以為係寫波波池....原來係kaikai地

作者: 079049 時間: 10-5-27 07:44 PM

原帖由 龍仔(G) 於 10-5-27 07:42 PM 發表
講得好,將佢降到21蚊人工就岩

到時佢可能又唔係咁講架啦

作者: haha_123123 時間: 10-5-27 07:50 PM

ED人唔使理

作者: 守護．天使 時間: 10-5-27 07:50 PM

如果時薪33蚊！每日限做8個鍾！
一個月返24日！
都得個33x8x24=6336

點養家啊！

作者: vocabulary_007 時間: 10-5-27 07:51 PM

香港真係大不如前

作者: LEO270888 時間: 10-5-27 07:55 PM

佢又唔知$20/21嗰d係死慳死抵先勉強生活到,俾人$33都好合理

仲喺度話加到$33會引發倒閉潮

作者: 咖啡♂噗≧▼≦ 時間: 10-5-27 07:59 PM

係人地1粒鐘21$都做唔係因為食得夠飽,有屋企
係因為難搵工你自己有錢緊係唔明

作者: ~蛇仔明~ 時間: 10-5-27 08:04 PM

加到33蚊真係會有好多公司倒閉...e個係事實...之前聽電台..勁多老闆打上去話如果33蚊會倒閉
即係我個fri諗到一個方法囉..我覺得行得通ge....係睇公司員工人數決定最低工資
可能1-10個員工就25蚊....11-20就27...21-30就29...31-40就31咁....咁咪可以解決e個問題囉
但當然都有佢ge唔好處

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 08:20 PM

弱肉強食.... ......

作者: 不滅的靈魂 時間: 10-5-27 08:23 PM

算啦條友低低bb過一世
成日係到廢諗野的確加到33$人工一小時係好多公司都比唔起
但係都冇理由要去減人人工

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-27 08:23 PM

原帖由 ~蛇仔明~ 於 10-5-27 08:04 PM 發表
加到33蚊真係會有好多公司倒閉...e個係事實...之前聽電台..勁多老闆打上去話如果33蚊會倒閉
即係我個fri諗到一個方法囉..我覺得行得通ge....係睇公司員工人數決定最低工資
可能1-10個員工就25蚊....11-20就27...21 ...

絕對.....

到時仲慘過乜

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 08:25 PM

近日做左個project,講最低工資
圖唔upload la....
其實有最低工資,大家冇着數.....失業率上升....

Minimum Wage Legislation

One of the most heated topics in Hong Kong - Minimum Wage Legislation
What is Minimum Wage? Does it bring benefits or do harms to the Hong Kong labour market ?If it is implemented, what would be the optimum wage rate? All these questions are discussed in the News and almost all kinds of media, and widely raised by legislators, Government officials, economists, & even the grassroots of HK.
Why is this so important? What kind of economic theories are induced in this topic?
Our group aim to lead this topic into a further discussion, and use well established economics theories to explain it.
In general public view, minimum wage law is good for those with very low wage. This law will help them to increase their wage. By calculation, if minimum wage is set on $30, those with wages lower than $30 will benefit. But in the real situation, that is not so simple. From the point of view of economics, society will be at equilibrium only when Pareto condition is reached which is a maximized condition.
In the Pareto condition, the price and quantity of transaction is in equilibrium. There is no tendency in changing . In a free market, there are no restrictions: sellers and buyers can find their own equilibrium. Which means employees will get a wage that the employers are willing to pay, and the employees are willing to receive. Just as shown in this diagram. P1 and Q1 will be the equilibrium. However, if minimum wage law is implemented, the equilibrium will change and a dissipation of rent will be generated. As shown in the diagram, the new equilibrium will be at P2 and Q2 and the area shaded red will be the dissipation of rent. But why is this part being called the dissipation of rent? This is because the price is fixed at a level higher than the original equilibrium, excess demand exists and non-price competitions will be arisen in order to find a job. Such as shoe shinning, giving presents to the boss and so on. As these kinds of competitions would not benefit anyone, the effort made will be wasted. Besides if the government do not regulate well, black market may emerge. Some labour may be willing to receive a price at P3. This is a price even lower than before, so those poor people may not benefit or they may even be worse off. As shown in the diagram, a firm will decide the quantity of employment according to the MRP of labour where MRP intersects with the wage rate. Therefore, an increase in wage rate will cause the firm to employ a lower quantity with a higher requirement on productivity. Because MRP measures the products of MR and MP. MR is the marginal revenue of the selling goods which cannot be controlled directly by labour, while MP is the marginal product of labour. That’s why a labour can increase his MRP by increasing productivity. If the minimum wage law is set, the number of employment will fall from Q1 to Q2 and the point where W cross MRP will be higher. As a result, those with lower productivity will be surely fired. But those with lower productivity are usually elderly and they are not able to live if they lose their job. Does minimum wage law really benefit poor? We really need to re-think it. While to society, there is a deadweight loss generated, which is represented by the area shaded black in the diagram. Since MV doesn’t equal to MC, more can be gain by the society. But due to the minimum wage law, the part of deadweight loss cannot be gained by anyone in society. Other than dissipation of rent and the deadweight loss, from another point of view, the minimum wage law is actually benefiting those large companies. “Are you kidding?” Maybe you will ask, but no, I am serious. To start with, we need to talk about the effects of minimum wage law to the firms. Due to the increase of wage, the cost of firms will increase. Therefore, the rent of a firm will fall. In a market, there are lots of different firms. Some are marginal firms and some are intra-marginal firms. For intra-marginal firms, they are usually large firms, these firms gain a large amount of rent and these rent may come from brand names, some business secret or they may have some unique plants or machineries. Since rent is defined as the amount that can be taxed away which will not affect the decision making of the firm owner. Therefore, those large firms will not close down since the amount of rent decreased is insignificant to the rent of these large firms. However, to some marginal firms or firms with low rent, the decrease of rent may cause them to have a negative rent, then they will close down inevitably. In this case, a number of small firms will close down. And the competition of larger firms will decrease. Which is quite beneficial to the large firms.

Conclusion
After all these diagrams, explanations & theories, should we let the law pass?
The implementation of Minimum Wage leads to the dissipation of rent, & will induce non-price competition, which in turn causes a higher rate of unemployment.
The findings are supported by economists. After considering the effects of passing the law, Government officials should THINK TWICE before implementing Minimum Wage. At the mean time, in order to protect the benefits of both the employers and labour, economists, or even economics students, try & work out a solution that will lead us to build a wealthy, prosperous Hong Kong.

[ 本帖最後由 monstering 於 10-5-27 08:26 PM 編輯 ]

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 08:26 PM

原帖由 不滅的靈魂 於 10-5-27 08:23 PM 發表
算啦條友低低bb過一世
成日係到廢諗野的確加到33$人工一小時係好多公司都比唔起
但係都冇理由要去減人人工

冇話減....最低....唔係一定要跟佢,可以高D

作者: shinn901 時間: 10-5-27 08:26 PM

基本上有少少腦都唔會搞最低工資

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 08:27 PM

原帖由 shinn901 於 10-5-27 08:26 PM 發表
基本上有少少腦都唔會搞最低工資

同意......最低工資=on99

作者: louishi 時間: 10-5-27 08:27 PM

總要有一班人來墊底，難道樓主第一天在香港生活？

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-27 08:28 PM

原帖由 monstering 於 10-5-27 08:27 PM 發表

同意......最低工資=on99

面對通漲

作者: shinn901 時間: 10-5-27 08:28 PM

原帖由 monstering 於 10-5-27 08:27 PM 發表

同意......最低工資=on99

姐係我老母冇讀ECON都諗到最低工資會搞到好多人失業
岩岩開左個張五常post,可能會俾人屌到飛起

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-27 08:34 PM

原帖由 shinn901 於 10-5-27 08:28 PM 發表

姐係我老母冇讀ECON都諗到最低工資會搞到好多人失業
岩岩開左個張五常post,可能會俾人屌到飛起

張五常 =]] ging yea

作者: roy1b111 時間: 10-5-27 08:39 PM

唉!之後d生活點撚過呀!得21蚊!

作者: 青龍幽靈 時間: 10-5-27 08:42 PM

屌你老母,自己有錢梗係唔知窮人既生活係有幾苦架啦,你班撚樣
做官好撚把鳩閉呀!?有錢好撚把撚柒鳩閉呀!?你真係正撚樣,正打把
33蚊倒閉潮,你唔比33蚊,你屋企都比人拆鳩埋呀撚樣

作者: 夢非凡 時間: 10-5-27 08:57 PM

原帖由 青龍幽靈 於 10-5-27 08:42 PM 發表
屌你老母,自己有錢梗係唔知窮人既生活係有幾苦架啦,你班撚樣
做官好撚把鳩閉呀!?有錢好撚把撚柒鳩閉呀!?你真係正撚樣,正打把
33蚊倒閉潮,你唔比33蚊,你屋企都比人拆鳩埋呀撚樣

其實我都支持最低工資$33
最想係政府可以係暑假前搞掂
禁我就5洗時薪$27...$27既暑期工真係過唔到生活LO!!!

作者: 老翁 時間: 10-5-27 09:02 PM

原帖由 夢非凡 於 10-5-27 08:57 PM 發表

其實我都支持最低工資$33
最想係政府可以係暑假前搞掂
禁我就5洗時薪$27...$27既暑期工真係過唔到生活LO!!!

睇你都係搵錢去玩既姐

作者: 258745 時間: 10-5-27 09:07 PM

佢係咪仲停留響幾毫子一個菠蘿包ge年代

作者: curapica 時間: 10-5-27 09:34 PM

做埋d統計話如果$33/hour好多中小企會倒閉又成....
如果我係老細我都話唔得啦,會倒閉啦~就算純利有幾多都話會蝕本啦~on99
當然有部份係ok的~

今日做完黎~等MyTV啦
新聞透視
2010.05.27 - 最低工資
http://programme.tvb.com/news/newsmagazine/

有得睇
http://mytv.tvb.com/news/newsmagazine/107856#page-1

[ 本帖最後由 curapica 於 10-5-28 05:38 PM 編輯 ]

作者: kinhing111 時間: 10-5-27 09:38 PM

原帖由 cnwing@hk 於 10-5-27 07:38 PM 發表
張宇人系電視節目度串柒柒咁，又問二十一，二蚊過唔到生活咩?如果過唔到點解又會黎做，你情我願姐! 我想話：死開啦on9仔，人地唔想無左份工炸，而且佢地又唔系大學生，唔做呢d去做咩啊，你系咪kai大?你情我願:ro10 ...

係...睇新聞透視果陣
就知佢未窮過~完全5企係工人既角度睇

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-27 09:38 PM

而家香港搞乜撚野都係死

講完

好食懶飛~
嘆慣
最好政府貼錢養埋你過世

無眼睇00後朋友~
90後已經死剩

作者: KYJL 時間: 10-5-27 09:50 PM

時薪最少都30蚊啦...唔係點做呀....如果得果2x蚊個鐘...做黎得個吉...不如拿綜緩仲好啦...唔洗做又有錢用

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-27 09:51 PM

面對通漲 X2

面對樓價 X5

面對父母 X10

面對愛情 X1

面對生活X3

作者: cnwing@hk 時間: 10-5-28 01:49 PM

原帖由 shinn901 於 10-5-27 08:26 PM 發表
基本上有少少腦都唔會搞最低工資

大家都知佢無腦唔洗講啦n d野

作者: cnwing@hk 時間: 10-5-28 01:56 PM

基層面對d問題佢唔會明白

以為自己好撚把閉一句講曬呢d官死剩把口

作者: 軒仔-鼬 時間: 10-5-28 02:03 PM

原帖由 lee111 於 10-5-27 09:38 PM 發表
而家香港搞乜撚野都係死

講完

好食懶飛~
嘆慣
最好政府貼錢養埋你過世

無眼睇00後朋友~
90後已經死剩

唔好撚戇鳩啦柒西

仲以為你幾大,原來89年11月

唔好一支竿打浸一船人

作者: 心淡的魂 時間: 10-5-28 02:06 PM

佢未試過一個鐘得廿幾蚊當然可以好輕鬆咁係公眾面前放屁。
而且廿蚊張代表既係老闆，唔係基層，佢當然唔想自己既利益受損，聽佢9up都只係得啖笑

[ 本帖最後由心淡的魂於 10-5-28 02:09 PM 編輯 ]

作者: littlehin 時間: 10-5-28 02:25 PM

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作者: kinhing111 時間: 10-5-28 02:28 PM

新聞透視:訪問個阿偉(無記錯)
佢話5介意22蚊..又5願上鏡,點吹都得
一間餐廳總經理發言:佢話老闆願意將10蚊賺既入面
肯用8蚊用係員工福利,呢d先係人黎架嘛!!(佢老闆台灣人)
話台灣同香港既做生意唔同,

作者: 老翁 時間: 10-5-28 02:30 PM

原帖由 kinhing111 於 10-5-28 02:28 PM 發表
新聞透視:訪問個阿偉(無記錯)
佢話5介意22蚊..又5願上鏡,點吹都得
一間餐廳總經理發言:佢話老闆願意將10蚊賺既入面
肯用8蚊用係員工福利,呢d先係人黎架嘛!!(佢老闆台灣人)
話台灣同香港既做生意唔同,

不能認同更多

作者: 青龍幽靈 時間: 10-5-28 02:34 PM

而家個個係到分化緊我地,又80後,90後
根本就唔係啲年青人適應唔到,而係上一代既人變通唔到!
人係要隨住時代轉變而變化,
唔係話上一代人點搏殺點搏殺,就要呢一代人要搏殺!

作者: 【翔少】 時間: 10-5-28 02:50 PM

原帖由 littlehin 於 10-5-28 02:25 PM 發表
33蚊,人地請唔到咁多人咪炒人law....到時冇工番咪仲衰....
21蚊,食住先啦
個個都想加高d架啦....淨係識諗打工仔方面,有冇諗過比飯你食果個?

你唔做大把人做

作者: 【翔少】 時間: 10-5-28 03:05 PM

香港根本上工資同十年前差唔多,但係差唔多年年通貨膨脹
宜家香港根本無優勢,咩都要依靠入口,香港人出名OT無補水
根本上如果最低工資係$33好多公司都會出現裁員潮、倒閉潮
睇返08金融海潚果時係珠三角既港資工廠出現既倒閉潮
如果工資係許可工廠就唔洗北移啦,根本上$33就唔可行
就算真係實行時薪$33,咪晚晚OT無補水囉

作者: 破冰者 時間: 10-5-28 03:08 PM

樓主，你係咪on9?
大學生搵到工?邊有咁易呀?
如果每一年大學生一畢業咪有千幾人
如果幾千人爭幾份工

你唸下太單純了，可唔可以唸深d??

當中有一千人...得幾十位搵到工，咁九百幾人去左邊?待工呀?搵工呀?

大學生一畢業,搵工得六千人工,唔好以為一入一萬幾蚊
最緊要工作經驗啦

你唸下,你係老闆

中五畢業生,己有3年工作經驗，大學生岩岩先出來做野

你揀邊位?(唔好話人工問題wo，你要唸清楚，時間等於金錢)

中五畢業生一入可以咩都識做,唔洗人教
大學生需要人幫手,要教埋少少野哂時間

如果我係老闆，我一定揀中五畢業生!

[ 本帖最後由破冰者於 10-5-28 03:10 PM 編輯 ]

作者: 風飄揚 時間: 10-5-28 03:13 PM

24的確係低左d~建議去到30蚊!

作者: 蝦堡 時間: 10-5-28 03:29 PM

條油係咪好有米架,老實講,得個21/22蚊...點生活ar...陰公...都唔體諒下D低層
依家咩都升價,其實有份穩定工作就算...唔多都唔緊要
但既然係要定最低工資,真係要出下聲,唔好低到咁lo!
很多人都要生活的

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-28 04:01 PM

原帖由 青龍幽靈 於 10-5-28 02:34 PM 發表
而家個個係到分化緊我地,又80後,90後
根本就唔係啲年青人適應唔到,而係上一代既人變通唔到!
人係要隨住時代轉變而變化,
唔係話上一代人點搏殺點搏殺,就要呢一代人要搏殺!

點醒了我~

我是89..屬於
80~90之間

作者: 樂瘋天下 時間: 10-5-28 04:13 PM

其實講左咁耐  我覺就算33蚊都係比你happy一段時間  老細頂唔順自然可能減人手大佬因為佢真係出唔到
無左老細  何來有打工仔  姐係職位少左
仲有就算佢唔炒人佢都要回本  點回呀? 加價囉  去睇下而家d杯麵就貴到飛起啦
所以都係平衡返  你拎多左$?  買野可能又係貴左  一樣
所以係個社會唔掂而家  呢個先係問題  係咪要求最底工資33蚊  我覺實用途就...

以上個人見解  歡迎討論

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-28 05:25 PM

原帖由 破冰者 於 10-5-28 03:08 PM 發表
樓主，你係咪on9?
大學生搵到工?邊有咁易呀?
如果每一年大學生一畢業咪有千幾人
如果幾千人爭幾份工

你唸下太單純了，可唔可以唸深d??

當中有一千人...得幾十位搵到工，咁九百幾人去左邊?待工呀?搵工呀?
...

depends on what university are you from.......

作者: monstering 時間: 10-5-28 05:28 PM

原帖由 破冰者 於 10-5-28 03:08 PM 發表
樓主，你係咪on9?
大學生搵到工?邊有咁易呀?
如果每一年大學生一畢業咪有千幾人
如果幾千人爭幾份工

你唸下太單純了，可唔可以唸深d??

當中有一千人...得幾十位搵到工，咁九百幾人去左邊?待工呀?搵工呀?
...

I will prefer university graduates ...at least the overall abilty has a great difference....
Don't be too naive and don't think you can survive in society with low qualifications nowadays....

作者: curapica 時間: 10-5-28 05:38 PM

有得睇lu

新聞透視
2010.05.27 - 最低工資
http://mytv.tvb.com/news/newsmagazine/107856#page-1

作者: 石獅子 時間: 10-5-28 06:21 PM

佢肯 21,2蚊一粒鐘
我地咪又跟佢 21,2蚊囉-.-

作者: lee111 時間: 10-5-28 06:27 PM

原帖由 curapica 於 10-5-28 05:38 PM 發表
有得睇lu

新聞透視
2010.05.27 - 最低工資
http://mytv.tvb.com/news/newsmagazine/107856#page-1

呢個問題嘈到去2012到無可能立到法

作者: 串人王 時間: 10-5-28 07:11 PM

條友根本係為左維護自己利益
事關佢係某大型酒樓d股東泥加左人工到33蚊佢咪賺小左lo
請容許我講句:「收皮啦~廿蚊張!!!」

作者: cnwing@hk 時間: 10-5-28 08:22 PM

原帖由 破冰者 於 10-5-28 03:08 PM 發表
樓主，你係咪on9?
大學生搵到工?邊有咁易呀?
如果每一年大學生一畢業咪有千幾人
如果幾千人爭幾份工

你唸下太單純了，可唔可以唸深d??

當中有一千人...得幾十位搵到工，咁九百幾人去左邊?待工呀?搵工呀?
...

你話我單純?收檔返屋企啦大學生會唔會去做掃街同清潔啊?起碼可以做文員果d啦月薪都唔會低得去邊啦我講緊系基層d人教育水平低逼於無奈先屈就系20 21蚊之間炸唔明人苦況就咪吵!!

作者: kaming1992 時間: 10-5-28 08:34 PM

其實又唔一定要去到３３蚊咁盡既
只不過係引人關注姐
其實２７蚊都好夠

作者: 『小風』 時間: 10-5-28 09:21 PM

老闆緊係想要又平又快又掂既員工,幾千蚊做到你死果隻就最好添!
打工仔緊係想要又多錢少野做,最好有室內有冷氣添!
有邊個唔識諗??
d阿姐阿嬸如果唔係貪在返工唔駛搭車同埋呢樣果樣~幾千蚊點會同你做

[ 本帖最後由『小風』於 10-5-28 09:23 PM 編輯 ]

作者: QQLAM1111 時間: 10-5-28 10:44 PM 標題: 回復 11# ~蛇仔明~ 的帖子

以漸進式的方法嗎..

但公司為了減低最低工資的下限會裁減人手,
這樣不是會引起裁員潮嗎...?

另一方面,大集團會將顧傭合約的員工將為 "自僱人仕 " ,

這時,員工的福利不是更不受到保障嗎..

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