Master Yi 心得篇 + 少少其他心得 (超長)

ausum

小弟仍是新手一名
Yi 衝鋒果種感覺好好feel~^^

基本上, 通常上, Yi 玩法有三種, 全攻型, Ability 型

全攻型:
當然不是不好, 如果你的team 可以一直保持優勢, 我是十分認同的, 但要記得推塔!
中後段大家有血有防時, Yi 會最先解決, 中了exhaust/blind 兩秒定三秒就玩完, 400 攻都無用處

Ability 型:
靠第一二 + 大絕refresh 搵食, 如果對面可以一直死, 不斷refresh alpha strike 會好利害, 你有高Ability 時, 對面都有高血高magic resist, 但後期Ability 會明顯地不夠力

以上兩種最重要都是要靠隊友先入團戰, 如隊友快速被ko, 只能默默的守候, 對團戰幫助不大

半攻防:
小弟最推薦!!
能攻能守, 不怕被暈一暈就完場, 全出攻裝, 不見得殺人時間會減半, 但可以幫助你的隊友拉時間, 大絕後第一個入戰場, exhaust 就走, 對面會首先打你, 你拉出來等其他隊友幫你, 拉走對方的隊型是很重要的, lol 入面只有自己肥是沒用的, Yi 也因易殺常被首先解決
防100 和200 會差很遠, 但200 和300 個效果% 己經不是差得多, 攻和magic resist 亦同, 為何不用把金錢花得更有效率呢?

玩法:
小弟是玩開jungle 型, 因開頭升級不會比較慢, 而且有buff 任拎, 自由走位幫隊友, 記住有線被推近塔就要幫, lizard buff 開頭好勁!
第二點鍾意jungle 是因為會有條線1v2, 如果他夠強的話, Lv6 殺Lv3/4 會很容易, 但反而, 如他被殺, 1v2 自己Lv8 對面也是Lv8, 會很不利

推薦道具:
Boots of Swiftness - 加3 鞋, 很多人都會出攻速鞋, 但移動速度快, 更有效令你去支援, 走佬一流, 攻速鞋都可以, 不過小弟試過很多場, 仍是覺得+3 鞋最好

Wriggle's Lantern (燈籠) - Yi 雖然有第一招, 但20% deal minions 清兵是很極快, 越少時間殺越多兵, 你就可以在短時間內有更強裝去殺人了, 也可以放ward, 一支ward 90, 對於本身14xx 來說, 又有14% 吸血, 效果很好, 不過相對地, 自己隊友賺錢會減少, 所以要幫隊友gank

Heart of Gold (龜瞉) - 不是少看+200 Health & +27 Armor, 對初頭gank 很有用! 殺人或被殺都是在於短短一兩秒之內, 最後有錢升上Randuin's Omen, 除非對方是全法師型, 否則是要升的

Youmuu's Ghostblade - 加攻速移速, 再stack 上大絕, 效果一流, 雖然時間短, 但一個道具先殺一個人, 就己經是5v4 了, 正常用效果也不差, 很多攻擊型champions 我也推薦用, e.g. Ezreal, Miss Fortune, Twitch 等

Infinity Edge - 爆劍, 不用說吧

Madred's Bloodrazor - 最主要都是打tank 和加40% 攻速, 對面有兩個tank 或以上, 差不多是必出的, 效果比Infinity Edge 更好

Frozen Mallet (冰鎚) - 減慢其他人, 令隊友追殺時間縮短, 越長時間危險程度會增加, 亦不用一直追, 一直追, 一直追.........而且加血很重要!!! 不過不想用的話可以多拎lizard buff 代替

Force of Nature - 高magic resist 和回血, 首推magic resist 裝!

Banshee's Veil - 檔一招效果, 又是一流道具

Warmog's Armor - 加血和回血, 上一兩個星期把它變得更好用, 平而且殺兵數減少, 加上Yi 殺兵快, 很快可以有全效果, 不加血的Yi Lv18 都只是近二千, 它加成千血, 己經救你半命, 它是被人評低了, 要試過才知好用

Philosopher's Stone - 回血回mana

Avarice Blade - 升上Youmuu's Ghostblade 用

其實Yi 只要有Youmuu's Ghostblade + Infinity Edge 或Madred's Bloodrazor 其中一個就己經夠力, 足夠殺死任何一隻, 其他地方當然來出防裝

出裝次序:
小弟最先出Cloth Armor 300, 因jungle 開頭, 之後出鞋 350, 有錢時出Wriggle's Lantern
之後再出, Philosopher's Stone + Avarice Blade + Heart of Gold, 5 秒回15 金, 自己計會覺得微不足道, 但只要你開用, 就知道金錢上的分別 , Avarice Blade 是必須, Heart of Gold 是次選, 因血太重要了, 而出Philosopher's Stone 是因為總不能每次用技清兵, 又要回城先能幫隊友, 0 mana 的Yi 不會有用, 之後出Infinity Edge 還是Madred's Bloodrazor 個人喜歡, 小弟個人覺得Madred 比較好, 因對面一定會有tank, 你能解決他後, 其他人己經任你魚肉了, 如出Infinity Edge, 對面少血會先解決, Ashe, Ezreal 等等, 兩三秒就完了, 到後期, Philosopher's Stone 差不多是必賣的, 換防裝, 龜瞉也可以因應需要而賣

通常我身上有Boots of Swiftness + Philosopher's Stone + Avarice Blade + Heart of Gold + Wriggle's Lantern + 40% 攻, 爆身時才升上, 因賺錢很快, 不用擔心太久, 但要看情況, 可先升上Youmuu's Ghostblade

我最後的裝備
Boots of Swiftness
Wriggle's Lantern
Youmuu's Ghostblade
Madred's Bloodrazor/Infinity Edge
Warmog's Armor
Force of Nature/Banshee's Veil

Wriggle's Lantern 最後爆裝都會轉, 但轉什麼也不一定, 也出過Frozen Mallet, Phantom Dancer, The Bloodthirster, Banshee's Veil, 要看對面是什麼champions 和裝來決定
你又會好奇邊有錢出齊裝, 所以說加錢三寶, 極速清兵和多gank 是必需的, 有隊友被追一定要先幫助, 就算遠距離都要, 有加3 鞋不怕時間太久, 出齊後三千多血有防有magic resist 的Yi, 對方不能秒你, 但你會夠力秒他們的

最差而有印象遇過而又嬴的
4 exhaust, 因一直exhaust 殺不到人, 但對面一樣殺不到我, 想一想, 如果對方全用exhaust 在你身上, 你隊友殺其他人的機會又增多了
Rammus + Morgana + Annie 先暈先慢先taunt, 差不多6 秒不能動, 我出Frozen Mallet + Force of Nature + Banshee's Veil 來防不死 ^^
如被exhaust, blind 等等時, 可出第一二招等時間過

Summon spell:
Smite + Ghost

Masteris:
9/0/21
buff 效果加30%, jungle 時好用
+ movement speed, 我至愛
學10 秒回1 蚊

Rune:
Red: Armor Pen
Yellow: Attack Speed (Dodge 加得太少, 用了好像沒用, 不如加點點攻速吧)
Blue: Flat Cooldown Reduction (有人喜歡用Lv18 那種, 但我見議用Flat, 因有一半是不到Lv18 己經完場, 但你熟悉自己招數cooldown time 之後, 不會有煩惱, 最後個人喜歡吧, 因Lv18 那種到Lv11/12 時己經是Flat 的效果, 常拎golem buff 都有20% reduction)
Purple: + movement speed (我至愛, 亦是有它會有加移速效果)


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不分champion 篇

Warmog's Armor, Force of Nature, Randuin's Omen + Sunfire Cape 四件加齊, 對於任何tank 都很有用, 甚至Vlad(可看我的Vlad ranked 記錄), 如好奇錢方面, 當然要出Heart of Gold 和Sunfire Cape 來賺錢
Warmog's Armor + Force of Nature 是一絕的, 回血速度很awesome, 見過不死Cho 未?

最後想說, 出什麼裝其實都沒所謂, 因每個人玩法不同, 有人鍾意全出攻裝, 同你死過, 有人出Ability 裝, 等第一招汁雞, 衝去人群中補血......出裝是自己鍾意, 冇話咩係唔可以, tank shaco, tank eve, tank yi 我都玩過, 諗下出咩裝會對自己隊友幫助最大, 最多殺敵數未必是最好

但留意一點的是, 看對方是什麼champion, 出什麼裝, 自己要對應他們的champion 和裝
e.g 對方多法師, 當然是加血和magic resist, 不會加armor, 多暈技, 出Banshee's Veil 等等
不想麻煩armor 和magic resist, 直接衝max hp 就好, 只要小心對方會出bloodrazor
但bloodrazor 好貴, 出前會有前科

同時都要清楚對方的summon spell 同裝, 特別是初期, 有時多百幾血就是多百幾血, 如對方有學加血, 殺他前要expect 他會用, 有exhaust, ignite 亦小心他人夾硬殺等等, 有回血, 不要博血, range 有吸血, 亦一樣, 很難殺的

jungle 時要留意對方item 位或summon spell, ward 90 蚊, 看他們有沒有留錢買ward 防你拎golem 等等
我很少是第一拎golem, 因很易被gank, 如要拎, 走去對方golem 更安全

中間因1v1 關係, 會比其他champion lv 高, 要特別小心, 不時要留意對方lv 和裝, lv 相差3-4 己經是很大分別!

記住初頭有優勢要攻要gank 要推塔, 失勢時要多group 多守, 不論得勢失勢, 買ward 是必須的
記得要團戰, 我仲未見過有一個人可以秋嬴五隻


US Ser ID: waterfire
歡迎指教和團戰~
(原來打左兩個鐘, 打完都發覺好多錯字, 不斷翻睇 = = 加個good 黎得唔得先 ^^)

[ 本帖最後由 ausum 於 10-11-2 03:34 PM 編輯 ]

深雲

玩ad yi你一開始買左Youmuu's Ghostblade
時機出得好已經屈左機。
入場時機係人地用晒D暈, 自己友死咁兩件, 人地血得返一半or以下, 對面tank走晒去追人。 跟住你係人地後面出, 之後你就可以好易殺3個或以上。 因為你只要殺到第一個, 所有技又會自動reload, 之後再用Q+E+R埋第二個身...loop就得

仲有買3鞋對yi無用, 佢用Q入場同大絕+速, 跟本就唔洗再加移速, 因為你已經無野係追唔到。

ausum

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-9 11:20 AM 發表
玩ad yi你一開始買左Youmuu's Ghostblade
時機出得好已經屈左機。
入場時機係人地用晒D暈, 自己友死咁兩件, 人地血得返一半or以下, 對面tank走晒去追人。 跟住你係人地後面出, 之後你就可以好易殺3個或以上。 因為你只要殺到第一個, 所有技又會自動reload, 之後再用Q+E+R埋第二個身...loop就得

仲有買3鞋對yi無用, 佢用Q入場同大絕+速, 跟本就唔洗再加移速, 因為你已經無野係追唔到。

我唔鍾意用汁雞yi, 你見住你d 隊友5v4, 係側邊等人地用完技入去, 其實隻隻英都可以咁汁雞

有冇諗過如果d 隊友全部被秒, 人地仲有一半血以上, 咁咪成場係到睇戲? 駛唔駛開始遊戲前買定花生?
所以你己經放左個前提 - 隊友會打到對面冇哂血又唔會死, 但隊友自己又唔會死既前提下
對面未必會5 個冇哂血, 5v4 可能死一/兩件, 但係其他三/四件仲係差唔多滿血, 咁你點搞?
但係因為5v4, 你自己隊己經死左3 件, 你會唔會俾隊友鬧?
你玩yi 己經係好被動, 完全靠隊友, 隊友勁, 你隻yi 就勁, 隊友屎, 你隻yi 就屎
不論團戰或者追殺, 都係我入先, 隊友跟住我, 己經係分別, 不過你鍾意用汁雞yi 我亦冇意見, 反正個個玩法不同

3鞋用黎追人, 個方向己經係完全唔岩
我買3鞋係用黎快d 去支援, 做好入場時間, 你有冇諗過如果你因為行得快, 可以jungle 多幾隻?
追人可以縮短追個距離同時間, 呢點你又有冇諗過?
照你咁講, 唔買鞋都得啦, right? 反正都有大絕加速

而家ranked 1300 以上我都係用yi 追上, 之前為左拎每個champion win, 由14xx drop 落去

深雲

如果你咁講點解唔買5鞋HAHA
1300RANK又點
連XIN同WW團戰都可以頂唔過5秒
你係要用YI黎頂招我都無法
YI既切入時間同其他近戰DPS好唔同

你XIN都仲可以買冰鎚買少少防裝再靠大絕
令攻防平衡, 團戰無咁易死

你自己諗下YI, 得果幾十物防幾十魔防
頂到幾多下
仲有YI買冰鎚我都唔知為咩
又唔係為追人, 如果係為血, 何不考慮Banshee's Veil呢

深雲

仲有你打果d咩RANK黎
咁多JUNGLE比你JUN
人地唔同你爭JUNGLE之餘仲要唔識買眼睇紅藍BUFF
NO FUN

深雲

仲有由頭到尾我無講話買咩鞋
我只係話過你買3鞋有問題
點解你會覺得唔買鞋都得?
我係有講過有大絕同q技可以埋身
咁就=我覺得唔洗買鞋?
唔好張你諗既野當係我講既OK?

深雲

仲有我話死2件先出只係一個例子
唔通你真係次次團戰數住自己死左人先出去
咁我都有提到話[等盾去追人既時候
去打後排既人]
點解你又唔講??

ausum

小弟實在唔善於同小朋友筆戰
不過亦都講解一下

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-9 04:54 PM 發表
如果你咁講點解唔買5鞋HAHA
1300RANK又點
連XIN同WW團戰都可以頂唔過5秒
你係要用YI黎頂招我都無法
YI既切入時間同其他近戰DPS好唔同

你XIN都仲可以買冰鎚買少少防裝再靠大絕
令攻防平衡, 團戰無咁易死

你自己諗下YI, 得果幾十物防幾十魔防
頂到幾多下
仲有YI買冰鎚我都唔知為咩
又唔係為追人, 如果係為血, 何不考慮Banshee's Veil呢

你唔知5 鞋in combo 會變番2 鞋咩? 你jungle d 怪一點同另一點個時間咁短, 你唔係問埋d 咁既問題ar ma

唔係話1300 rank 係點, 你自己咩rank 自己用咩英自己心照
你唔識用xin 同ww, yi 一類, 你就算打幾多鋪, 亦都頂唔過幾秒
你未見識過blooadrazor + 防既ww 當然你可以咁講, 見識多d ww 見法, 唔係一味加攻就勁, 俾人暈左連大絕吸血都出唔倒
你呢d 冇血既英, 你一衝入團戰, 有冇暈己經個個圍你, 到後期一下暈己經byebye
切入時間咪就係等於你既汁雞英law   你鍾意可以鋪鋪走去汁雞架
同埋你放哂全部希望落隊友到係冇問題架, 你想做被動亦都隨得你

我有時冰鎚banshee 一齊買架wor
我亦都冇講過一定要出呢兩件, 你睇我近十場, 有咩係出左呢兩件
出banshee 為血? 你唔係睇中佢個30 seconds block one spell 個效果架 = =
單純要血我唔出warmog?

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-9 04:56 PM 發表
仲有你打果d咩RANK黎
咁多JUNGLE比你JUN
人地唔同你爭JUNGLE之餘仲要唔識買眼睇紅藍BUFF
NO FUN

咁就要睇下你打咩rank 喇
我咪話留意人地開初d item, 睇下有冇留錢買眼law, 我亦都有叫買燈籠放眼, 上堂都唔聽書
人地用ww 我都係用yi jungle 架wor, 睇你識唔識jun~^^
一齊jun 仲好, 阻住埋個ww jun, lol

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-9 04:58 PM 發表
仲有由頭到尾我無講話買咩鞋
我只係話過你買3鞋有問題
點解你會覺得唔買鞋都得?
我係有講過有大絕同q技可以埋身
咁就=我覺得唔洗買鞋?
唔好張你諗既野當係我講既OK?

只係你回最後果句, 麻煩睇一睇
因為你已經無野係追唔到 face_l_18:

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-9 05:03 PM 發表
仲有我話死2件先出只係一個例子
唔通你真係次次團戰數住自己死左人先出去
咁我都有提到話[等盾去追人既時候
去打後排既人]
點解你又唔講??

我都話過我係頭一兩個出去, 你又打橫黎講.........
點解我要咁講, 你唔係打團戰打哂d tank 先ar ma, 有時常識既野係唔駛人講
有冇人問你, 你丫媽係咪女人?


最後亦都知道你, 法師全出ability, dps 全出攻裝既典型人 face_l_18:
講多冇謂, 唔想好似細路仔汁字蝨, 留個名黎切磋下~^^

ausum

題外話, 當時一出vlad, 我叫人出warmog, nature of force, sunfire cape, randuin's omen, rylai 都冇人信, 勁唔勁睇我vlad 既record 先知, 我之後亦都唔要sunfire cape, 改做mejai, 真係sorry, 我vlad 都係出3 鞋
我見有人stack rylai, 都一樣係勁架wor
六師弟, 睇你點玩架jar

深雲

原帖由 ausum 於 10-11-10 12:54 PM 發表
小弟實在唔善於同小朋友筆戰
不過亦都講解一下



你唔知5 鞋in combo 會變番2 鞋咩? 你jungle d 怪一點同另一點個時間咁短, 你唔係問埋d 咁既問題ar ma

唔係話1300 rank 係點, 你自己咩 ...

有時D野好普通
係人都知
你話ww出綠爪+防裝勁係
但係你都應該知道, 通常出完綠爪係唔會夠爆擊型dps打
仲有你有無試過綠爪+重生甲+Banshee's Veil都比人秒??
個問題係yi同狼人唔同
狼人一出大絕就比人圍
但係好多時候狼人都要出先
就算有吸血都回唔切

所先我先會覺得狼人都頂唔過5秒, yi連吸血都無, 真係一個暈就死
而且你果D裝備推介, 你都推得7788, 不如你講下有邊件未數出黎

我都唔係想筆戰
但係yi定位講真, 你第一篇話用黎打tank我覺得真係有問題
我都唔明點解要用yi打tank
你殺得晒人地後面果排法師同dps的話
你成team人會唔會殺唔到隻tank呢

鞋果度我真係唔想同你嘈
首先你自己話可以快D切入戰場
好明顯5鞋就快好多
之後變左你話我唔知combo會變番2...

仲有我打法係打人地後排先
我就一定唔會買3鞋
因為攻速可以快D殺人
MR可以防技無咁易死
所以我真係唔明點解要出3鞋
你話3鞋可以-少追人時間
咁我2鞋/5鞋埋到身, 敵人之間你3鞋又可以-到幾多時間?
你已經有大絕同Q, 而且我平時真係要追人會用ghost
所以覺得3鞋好多餘

仲有一樣就係[加快切入戰場]
依樣野...battle sence黎既...
你battle sence好易估到人地係邊就真既...

好啦唔傾啦

深雲

我明
沒有最強CHAMPION只有最強玩家
所以鞋果方面battle sence去補救啦
而且我好多時都會帶GHOST
所以可能無你既問題

ausum

你估重生甲真係好好防?
你有冇著其他比較過?
你又唔係著眼點放係重生到....

係你覺得我用yi 黎打tank
唔好用你既思想黎誤導我原本既意思
都己經話到明出IE 追住d ashe 同ezreal, 你出bloodrazor 黎追你估會殺唔倒?

我出裝不過都冇話限死, 只係我推薦, 我亦都有係最後講左出裝要點出先最好

出3 鞋係我既習慣, 對於我masteries 同rune 都係加movement speed, 我亦都有講過可以出攻速鞋, 我只係覺得3 鞋更加好用, 你又有冇睇清楚? 你又估我未試過著其他鞋?

你鍾意全攻, 咪21/0/9 或者26/0/4 留番個ghost law, rune 用attack speed 或者armor pen law, 我有咩所謂, 個個玩法都唔同, 我又冇講過跟住我咁玩就一定嬴, 真係講完又講番以前d 野, 唉


留個名黎切磋下啦
上去offical forum 睇下, 有人己經話左yi 出warmog, 唔係我講架, 好多回覆, 吸收下唔同意見

深雲

唔傾啦
有主流同偏方

唔攻既master yi不如玩xin
一樣可以jungle, 又係有技加攻速, 大絕仲可以+MR
更加無咁易死

[ 本帖最後由 深雲 於 10-11-11 12:45 PM 編輯 ]

深雲

仲有綠爪+bloodrazor真係唔係吸好多
都係果句出左綠爪就唔夠爆擊流打

主流一向都係綠爪+冰鎚
爆擊+吸血

又要盾得起, 可以配綠爪?
得udyr啦

ausum

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-11 12:31 PM 發表
唔傾啦
有主流同偏方

唔攻既master yi不如玩xin
一樣可以jungle, 又係有技加攻速, 大絕仲可以+MR
更加無咁易死

一直都講緊唔係主流同偏方既問題...

幾時有唔攻, 你未試過又知唔夠攻?
咁你玩xin 唔玩yi 我都唔阻止你, 呢篇一直都唔係講xin
而且又冇用yi 同其他英比較, 你唔用埋tryn 比下?
xin 被改弱後有好多缺點, 遲d 有機會先再講

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-11 12:48 PM 發表
仲有綠爪+bloodrazor真係唔係吸好多
都係果句出左綠爪就唔夠爆擊流打

主流一向都係綠爪+冰鎚
爆擊+吸血

又要盾得起, 可以配綠爪?
得udyr啦

你又去左ww 到?
1v1 下, 你有冇諗過當你加左防, 人地扣你1000, 而家扣你500, 你要吸血既數量唔駛好多己經夠保住
好多人見有tryn 果類, 都會出+100 armor 反melee damage 果件甲, 你build 都唔對應番對面d 英, 我又係第一樓講過....
唔好成日要我重覆又重覆又重覆.....
你隊有galio, amumu 控場果d, 你直接衝攻都得, 由頭到尾我都冇講過場場都要咁build

而且你理解我篇野太少, 我唔係叫你用防同magic resist 去檔, 你想去檔, 點解唔選擇tank?
要凸登搵隻少血黎tank, 你係咪玩緊我, 等於你話annie 要出攻裝一樣, 因為annie 出哂招, 淨攻打先夠力, 咁樣?

我個主題係話, 要為隊友帶來貢獻, 唔係一定要係側邊等汁雞, 幫人食一兩招唔會死, 下下等人地用哂技打完先入去, 你d 隊友仲生勾勾就得, 你都唔用隻yi 同人地共同作戰, 你點汁雞冇所謂, 你鍾意切入點係佢地退緊番去條路到又得, 你有你玩法

要點起裝亦都講埋, 唔係讀死書, 一理通百理明
人地有咩英, 自己隊有咩英, 而要去選擇出咩裝, 呢篇係我對yi 既見意, 我玩yi 不少於200 場, 我對過好多組合, 都係冇問題
信唔信同試唔試隨得你, 我一直冇迫過你跟我用, 對於我話vlad 出半tank 裝加血拎ap, 二技係計血量
sion 出攻裝利用埋佢個大絕加攻加100% lifesteal, 你話主流係sion ap我亦冇說話好講

yi 黎講兩件攻裝己經夠殺, 亦都講左邊兩件, 亦都講埋左點解唔全部出攻裝, 用左加防來比較, 錢同較率到左某一個點, 就會越來越低, 你用多3000 蚊出攻裝, 你殺死其他人時間唔會多一倍, 但你用黎起其他裝, 可以挨多幾秒
你試下用3000 黎加防, 睇下個% reduce damage, 再用多3000 黎加防, 睇下個% reduce damage 就明我講乜
official forum 有人放左錢同較率% 比較, 你自己去search 下, 當中包括damage, ability, armor, magic resist

我玩某d 英都會全出攻裝, 你理解哂我講d 野先講, 估唔到畫公仔都要畫出腸, 唉....

深雲

是但你鐘意點理解我就點理解啦
我都係比意見
既然意見不合都無謂再講
而且明顯就係主流不主流問題
正常YI點會推Force of Nature

你鐘意點講就點講啦
你話我無去理解你講既野
其實你咪又係一樣唔去接下我既意見
我頭兩篇可能係文字過激
打後幾篇都話到明唔係想筆戰
如果一隻綠爪咁殺
咁佢item果度洗咩有咁多攻裝

你又要話到ap sion係主流
你要咁曲解我都無法
而普通DPS出Banshee's Veil+重生我覺得無問題
而且我都無講過要全攻裝
不過你推介果D(Force of Nature, Warmog's Armor)
我覺得真係唔係正常dps會買
如果你咁都要話係主流
我都無法
你要浪費差不多7千去買防裝
得就一定得, ad annie都有人玩, 有咩唔得
文都會有人寫, 所以我先會提到是否主流

[ 本帖最後由 深雲 於 10-11-12 12:28 PM 編輯 ]

ausum

我一早話過出裝係睇個人玩法, 只係你一味執住d 唔係重點黎講, 我都好唔明, 又話呢樣唔得果樣唔得, 你有冇諗過係你自己接受唔倒其他人竟見, 我知你一定唔信邪, 呢個睇你回覆亦都係事實, 你估我出呢個post 之前未玩過起其他裝既yi?
多人一樣咁build 就等於主流? 主流一定勁? 呢d 你自己諗下啦
真係好唔好彩地, 之前同fd 玩左幾場, 用kog 同sivir, 都有出force of nature, 你覺得出重甲生好d 我都冇計, 你又會覺得dps 仲係要range, 做咩要出防裝~^^
枉枉事實勝於雄辯, lol

我都話左攻裝道具兩件都夠.....Youmuu's Ghostblade + Infinity Edge 或Madred's Bloodrazor ............唔再講

似乎係你曲解我篇野多d wor, 全部回覆我一早有講, 回番我講過既野好冇癮
主流邊個講? 官網講? 你自己定架? 你話ap sion 唔係主流, 我話係主流, 你點prove 邊樣先sion 係主流? 你又點prove 主流係勁過唔係主流, 講黎真係哂氣....
你覺得出banshee + 重生甲冇問題咪冇問題law, 我幾時有話過你咁樣出有問題?
我個fd 用janna 出攻速鞋, 佢話颱風完要打下d 兵先殺倒, 佢咁講我都冇計架, 唔通我叫佢uninstall 左個lol 佢? 佢係鍾意咁用就咁用, 你打機自己一個打, 唔知其他人諗咩, 就用自己想法捉住人地d 問題, 但係又冇諗過人地點解會咁出 (我冇話過janna 要出攻速鞋, 我廢是你又捉住呢d 無聊野黎講) 我用vlad 出果d 裝, 我有冇講過其他裝對vlad 唔勁?
我冇話過我隻yi 係主流, 麻煩再睇多一次一樓d 野, 亦唔清楚你主觀性覺得邊種yi 係主流
我仲講埋d 錢點搵, 出裝點出, 亦都唔係一下就出防裝, 係出攻裝先, 後期個個肥先出防裝檔幾下, 唉, 你睇番我講咩好唔好.......
你要出ad annie 係得架, 勁唔勁你自己知, 係唔係你想我話番你, 要浪費d 錢去買ad

小弟最先出Cloth Armor 300, 因jungle 開頭, 之後出鞋 350, 有錢時出Wriggle's Lantern
之後再出, Philosopher's Stone + Avarice Blade + Heart of Gold, 5 秒回15 金, 自己計會覺得微不足道, 但只要你開用, 就知道金錢上的分別 , Avarice Blade 是必須, Heart of Gold 是次選, 因血太重要了, 而出Philosopher's Stone 是因為總不能每次用技清兵, 又要回城先能幫隊友, 0 mana 的Yi 不會有用, 之後出Infinity Edge 還是Madred's Bloodrazor 個人喜歡

幫你quote 埋, 自己睇啦
算啦, 你越講只越覺得你水平更低, 而且唔只對lol 既水平.......


另外講番點解kog 同sivir 出裝防
kog 對面有garen, galio 同twitch, twitch 同garen 學exhaust, 求其一隻衝埋黎exhaust 左我, 或者galio flash + 大絕己經得番半條命
sivir 對面全ability 型, sona, annie, heim, jax, shen, 我用盾都檔唔倒咁多個, 每次團戰都會被hold 幾秒, jax 果一跳可以扣我幾百血, 我出force of nature 同banshee 黎防, warmog 加血
幾多殺幾多死幾多assists 自己check 下我個record, 就係咁多

ausum

原帖由 深雲 於 10-11-10 02:38 PM 發表
沒有最強CHAMPION只有最強玩家

呢樣係事實但係唔會全部, 仲要睇champion 組合
舉個例, 全部人賺錢同lv 差唔多, amumu + galio + gp + morgana + sona, 佢地係會十分好gank, 控場, dps, ability 亦都好平均, 自己check 下amumu + galio + sona 共可以hold 人地幾多秒, 你係攻擊型唔加血防佢地, 你點打?
所以, 我既結論係冇最強玩家, 只有最好組合既champion 同團體默契, 當然, 強玩家 -> 弱玩家

ausum

剛剛追post, 找了這段文章
自己簡略看過一下, 好像有點錯字, 不過這篇是搬字過紙的. 我也不作修改.


轉自 Legaue of Legends Community
Author: JLiberationArmy
Post Date: 11-07-2010, 07:00 PM
Title: About Master Yi

Hello General Forums,
I know this isn't Champion Feedback, but I want change not just "express my feelings on the champion, then no one looks at it."
With that said let's begin.

As you can probably tell from the title, this thread will be about Master Yi.

Things I'm going to address:

1.Master Yi is a Easy Character to play.
-I only agree if you're talking about Master Yi in low ELO. But as soon as he gets to high ELO, Master Yi becomes exponentially harder, and "Right Click to win is no longer accurate"

2.Don't play Master Yi in high ELO.
-If I ask why? I get "He has no CC" , "He's to easily countered", "He useless", and "There are better picks."
I want to say "NO YOUR WRONG MASTER YI FTW" but I really cant. Master Yi has no CC, even though as many of you say he probably doesn't need it, without CC Master Yi's team value is lowered.
I'm not asking for CC, but I'm pointing out his TeamPlay Value.

Master Yi is also easily countered, I agree. Exhaust + Ignite counters Yi. Two Summoner spells that are always in a League Game.

There are basically better picks besides Master Yi.
Are you missing a Jungler?->WARWICK/AMUMU/FIDDLE
Are you missing a Tank?->No...
Are you missing a DPS?->MISFORTUNE BABY/Tryndamere/DPS Sion/
Are you missing a Mage?->Veigar/Annie/Morg/Fiddle/etc/AP Garen/AP YI
Are you missing someone?->NunuBot/Ryzebot/Sona Bot/Yi.

3.Riot's famous, "Damage Vs. Survivability" argument.
-In my opinion, Riot wanted to create a champion with really really godlike damage but squishy and can die easily.
Master Yi on the other hand, IS NOT that champion.
Why?
Master Yi(with Wuju Style) active adds 70AD and Highlander adds 80% AS. That's pretty decent damage and DPS. With this, Yi can probably and I have 1v1 many people and beat them. But as many people in this game say "This is a team game"
So 1v1, yeah, totally fine.
So Damage = Check. Riot got the "damage" part correct.

Lets head into teamfights, this is where the trouble begins.

After playing Yi for 200+ games. You will learn that the MOST important factor about Master Yi and team fights is timing. You have to enter a teamfight AT THE RIGHT TIME. While the teamfight happens, your team or the enemies would have to initiate first. When a teamfight is initiated you SHOULD not(You want to wait for the enemy to "waste" their CC) be in the battle. You stay behind to flank or get ready to fight. Problem is this leaves your teammates to fight a 4v5. Which if they cant hold well on their own. Yi becomes useless.

So let's say you enter your teamfight successfully, smart people will know to focus the Yi. With that said in about ~1 nanosecond you die. Even after you successfully entered a teamfight you still die. And guess what? YOU COULDN'T EVEN AUTO ATTACK.

What am I trying to say? Riot created a champion with EPIC damage, but dies so fast he cant use it.
Was that what Riot wanted? I have no clue.

4.Yi as a solid carry late game.
-Wrong. Late game Yi is just terrible.
Why?
Let's say your Vsing a:
Ranged DPS->By the time you reach him/her or cast Alpha(If you're still alive) You'll have about half health left. By doing this you are taking a HUGE chance of which you may die. Primary example would be Ashe. You wanna fight an Ashe, all she needs to do volley, frost shot, and her ult if she needs to. Sure Highlander and Cleanse can stop her slow/stun but she's still DPS and can still hit you hard. Also as soon as you are inrange of Alpha Strike, you're in range of Exhaust...
Mage->By late game, Mages have enormous burst damage. Don't be surprise if an Annie Tibber or Ryze skillset can just kill you. Or maybe Morg snaring and dropping the black soil and using her soul shackles can probably kill you aswell. You can't get close enough to get the kill. Malzahar->Malefic vision, NullZone, and Nether Grasp...
Tank->Why should you even engage the tank. Moving on.
MissFortune->She has her own category. Her DPS is just way to much with a combo of her skills + ult. Yi's just not up to par with her.
Melee DPS->Now this one Yi stands a chance. Problem is there aren't many people who even play Melee DPS anymore. Probably WW or Tryndamere are the only Melee DPS people play. Maybe Gangplank. Gangplank late game can take out easily half your HP with ONE LUCKY PARLEY.
Tryndamere->No matter HOW FED YOU are, Tryndamere will always have 6 seconds of free wacking at you. 6 Seconds of OVER 600 crits are a killer.
Warwick->Surprise but- infinite duress-> Dead Yi.

tl;dr Yi is not a solid late game carry.

5.LOL QQ YI PLAYER DPS SUX AP IS THE WAY TO GO.
-I've played a whole lotta Yi's guys.
As said by Elementz


Quote:
He can be a viable jungle choice but is often out shined by other junglers. As for laning AP Yi is extremely powerful but also situational.  

Yes AP Yi is viable, I've played AP Yi. But AP Yi is STILL LACKING, you're still not a decent enough team player and even after you get lichbane your damage still sucks.
Example:
You throw yourself into a teamfight when AlphaStrike,
6 seconds cooldown. In that 6 seconds you'll have to
A)Fight since you have a lich bane proc, *Then activate wuju* for another proc, *Then highlander* for another proc. Once again, when the enemy team sees a Master Yi, the first thing that'll snap into their heads is. "FOCUS THE GOD **** YI GUYS" Maybe as AP Yi, seeing how in my guide I suggest get a ZhongYa's Ring you'll survive 2 seconds longer. But you're still UBER Squishy.
All right, how about? Jungle Yi.
Pendragon Jungles with Yi, and he uses his certain I call lifesteal build. But before I go into that build, lets just think about Jungling Yi. There aren't many players out there who play Yi(level 30's anyway). Then there aren't many players who play Jungling Yi. As Elementz said, "outshined" by other junglers.
But let's say you Jungle, Once again early - mid game you'll do decent. Then let's go to late game.

Lifesteal build for Yi
All rightly, in the end you still rely on Lifesteal. Lifesteal is like your survivability. But once, you're exhausted no lifesteal no damage = you dead son.

Noob, if you're exhuasted/ignited GET OUTTA THERE.
By doing that, which sometimes I do and can safely say your team will get owned by the other team. Making a 5v1 situation. After you stand next to a tower determined to defend it. *ACE*. GG

All right, This is my personal build which I created for Yi.
WARMOGS AND ATMA'S YI. I call him Final Yi.

With that said, This Yi focuses on getting Doran Shield, Boots, Warmog, Atmas. Incredible build. You have HP. People won't focus the Yi as much and you still do GREAT damage. Too bad, you risk your teammates ragequitting when you get your warmog. After all, "A YI WITH A WARMOG WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" *RAGEQUIT*. Let's say your lucky they don't ragequit. Cool, even though you have great damage, you are not "DPS" par. I find that I have great success with this build.
But really let's build YI WITH A WARMOG GUYS? Isn't that a dead giveaway Yi isn't getting played he should be? I'm probably the only person doing this build besides the other people who read my guide.

Also this build works only really efficient late game. Problem is you almost never get there when you have people who
"OH GEE WE LOST AN INHIB I SURRENDER AT 25" or leavers/ragequitters.

6.Meditate

Shurelia said

Quote:
This mitigates around 1-1.5 seconds of damage.
His meditate also became a valuable mitigation/de-aggro tool that forces the enemy team to make the decision to use a CC, or to choose a different target while in meditate. Forcing the enemy team to waste a CC is always a good thing.
With the combination of a De-Aggro and a Mitigation mechanic, coupled with single target burst, Yi became a much stronger choice than before."  

LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. When you meditate you STAND THERE WAVING YOUR SWORD WITH A HUGE GREEN AURA AROUND YOU. Even with 300 Armor/Magic resist you die REALLY FAST when 5 people focus you.
Shurelia mentions "Forcing the enemy to waste CC" Waste CC? There's never a WASTE when you use it on a DPS. Not to mention with a crapload of new heros with AoE CC. It's not really a "WASTE" Often a simple knock up or silence or snare = no meditate for you.

7. Alpha Strike Mechanic
Alpha Strike's mechanics are terrible. For one when you alpha you don't reset your normal attack (DONT YOU DARE PUT THIS IN THE 1.0.0.105 patch notes and say "YI HAS NOW BEEN BALANCED") Also Alpha should be able to avoid stuns or maybe even tower hits. For example, say Taric uses his fabulous dazzle on me. The projectiles on my way. BUT OH WAIT, MY LEET EPIC TIMING SKILLS let me ALPHA RIGHT outta his dazzle. I land far away and what happens? I'm stunned.... What kind... of... Sick logic is this...

8. Last one finally, "LOL QQ YI FAILURE, LOOK AT ______ HE FACEROLLS"
Thanks, good to know theres about 5 Yi players in Ranked games who faceroll. Maybe 10 in normal games... Compare that to other champions...

5-10 people who are decent/good with Yi aren't enough to pull him outta the UP zone.

MORE
9. Bring Cleanse Noob!@@!!!
I do, Cleanse is staple to Yi. But 150 as a cooldown to long for cleanse. Cleanse cant save you when you get exhausted/stunned/snared/silence one after another.
Also cleanse cant cleanse ignite. LifeSteal Yi = owned

10.IRELIA
Hey guys, Yi is underpowered and hardly played. LETS MAKE A NEW HERO THAT'S REALLY SIMILAR TO YI!
OH WAIT!
/facepalm

[ 本帖最後由 ausum 於 10-11-15 03:33 PM 編輯 ]

ausum

Hiten Style: Irelia is skilled in the art of Hiten, passively giving her physical attacks health restoration. Activating Hiten Style adds true damage to her physical attacks for a short duration.
(Too early to speculate without you know the numbers but meh)
-Wow. Wuju Style just cant compete. She gets "health" restoration like Lifesteal, and TRUE damage. I don't know how much true damage it adds. But if it adds more than 100. I'm QQing.

Equilibrium Strike: Irelia's attack balances the scales, dealing damage and slowing the target. However, if the target has a higher Health % than Irelia, then the blow stuns the target instead.
-As a chasing ability I would have no problem with this. But the fact is that her stun can change the whole entire battle. So if Yi Vs Irelia happened,and it's almost a close fight, One stun and Yi's a goner.

With that said, she can probably out 1v1 Yi. I know 1v1 and Yi loses. BLASPHEMY. We'll see when she's actually released though.


11.Phreak

Quote:
Master Yi is intentionally easy to play.

He's also one of the more powerful melee carries. (Comapred to, say, Tryndamere)  

This guy, needs to play Yi in ranked games. But wait. It'll never happen, they follow tier list and there's always a better pick than Yi.

Why?
"Intentionally easy to play."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yet 50% of the Yi's feed 0/10+ in games right? Come on, you know it player base.

"He's also one of the more powerful melee carries"
Yep. Powerful melee carries. Yet people often choose
Shaco
Tryndamere
Sion
Gangplank
Olaf
Katarina
Udyr
...
Eve
...
AP Garen
...
Purple Caster Minion
...
Blue Caster Minion
...
Wolves
...
YI!

Over Master Yi.
Good to know.

Seeing how he's rarely chosen. Something needs to be done.

12.Yi's an assassin man!

Look, we all know Yi isn't rambo and can't 1v5 so he's classified as an assassin to pick up the low health people. But in this case when a teamfight starts, You havet to stand back and watch your team either roflstomp them. Or the other team roflstomp you. If you enter the teamfight you die. You have to wait. Other assassin's such as Akali and jump in there. Throw a shroud, and use her E skill. Malzahar can just throw a Null Zone or CoV and stay back. Yi just cannot.

Yi's not an up to par assassin either unless your team roflstomps.

This thread is probably going to be downvoted because I'm asking for a Yi buff. BUT I don't want this thread to be locked. Obviously there will be more downvotes than Upvotes because there's only a few hardcore high level Yi players out there. There's a reason I wrote this thread. If you disagree please try Yi in a ranked game and if you can survive your team mates ranting on you, just keep playing him for awhile. Master Yi needs a buff. I'm not looking for him to be super easy to use in normal level 30 games. I just want Yi to be viable to use in more games. I want people to use Yi more than eve or something.

To all the hardcore Yi Players, we live on as the Wuju Legacy. Let's accomplish the impossible and reintroduce Master Yi to the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS!

Don't believe me? Play Yi for more than 10 games. Better yet play Yi in ranked games. Obviously if he's not UP and is balanced hes just as good as any other character.


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