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十週年勳章(賀詞)

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以下呢段文字轉貼from facebook
世界上曾有這樣的一個國家

教育、醫療、用電、固網國內通話完全免費
國家對糧食、糖、茶葉等生活必需品實行價格補貼
銀行屬於國有,公民可按照法律無利息貸款
政府提供5萬美元予所有新婚夫妻,以幫助他們購買首套住房並建立家庭
公民從事農業,政府提供免費的農田、農舍、農具、種子和家畜
購買汽車,政府會給其相當於車價50%的補貼
25%的人擁有大學學歷,全國83%識字率
如果公民在國內得不到自己所需要的教育條件或醫療設備
政府會出資送他們出國接受教育或接受治療
全國1/3的公民於同一天上街支持自己的政府

這個國家不在歐美,而在北非
這個國家會令你聯想到製裁、落後、恐怖主義
這個國家的領導者會令你聯想到殘暴、獨裁的狂人
這個國家,是卡達菲統治下的利比亞

某一天
這個地方遭受以西方民主為名的北約所轟炸
大量保衛國土與無辜的人被殺
其統治者亦得不到任何公平審訊的機會
敗陣後被連番虐待死於槍彈下
遺體更示眾侮辱至腐爛才草草埋葬

然後同樣地
就如911事件一樣
大部份人經主流媒體再次相信一個自編自導自演的圈套
一場影子組織的背後陰謀

下一次,受害者又會是誰

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佢條仆街做左四十幾年唔洛台,
國家d錢都差不多比佢貪晒

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Saint小健c  做得耐 並唔係重點 做得差 而做得耐先係重點=.=  發表於 11-10-30 07:08 PM

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5萬邊夠
起馬都500萬
生仔都400萬啦

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Saint小健c  美金  發表於 11-10-30 07:08 PM

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十週年勳章(賀詞) 十週年勳章(截圖)

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咁點解D人民仲要反佢~?



留名跟進~

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Saint小健c  我都跟進緊。  發表於 11-10-30 07:09 PM

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十週年勳章(賀詞)

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不過 我真係未見過一個國家 被北約佬炸
d 人民仲熱烈地彈琴地支持狂人元首

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不過 我真係未見過一個國家 被北約佬炸
d 人民仲熱烈地彈琴地支持狂人元首
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打少左個字姐

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我一直都認為如果佢用暴政, 令人民長期生活痛苦,
先會有今日佢俾人民反, 仲要死於非命,
但如果佢又唔係做左咩壞事, 真係唔知點解佢會落得如此下場

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小健c你有冇玩HK SF (金日我去左個比賽.

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Saint小健c  btw 你 比賽咩result  發表於 11-10-30 09:47 PM
Saint小健c  hksf 畫質差過tw=.= 一場未夠就quit左 最慘就係要剷左tw sf 先可以單hksf個主程式=.=  發表於 11-10-30 09:46 PM

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鐵腕既重點係佢容不下反對意見
排除異已...
秘密警察橫行...

表面上佢好似比好多福利人民
實際上佢只係將國家收入分一點給人民...
所以好多阿拉伯國家,不論社會民生是好是壞,都會有革命情緒,
而領導人點應對,直接反映在他的下場...

卡達菲如果一開始放權,不戀棧權位,佢可能仲可以做多排領導人,之後退位...
好可惜佢選擇武力鎮壓...
西方國家當然唔放過呢個籍口,派兵攞彩,振一振聲威...


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從2月16日發生騷亂以來,利比亞的社會動蕩已經發展成為內戰,並在西方的武裝干涉下有可能進一步激化、升級,數以千百計的平民在沖突中喪生。利比亞的亂局已遠甚於突尼斯和埃及。初步分析利比亞亂局的成因,一般認為有以下幾點:

  首先,也是最根本的原因是利比亞的社會矛盾特別是部族矛盾突出,失業率高。

  根據世界貨幣基金組織(IMF)的統計報告,2010年利比亞的石油產業佔其出口額的95%,是其國內生產總值的四分之一。作為非洲石油儲量最大的國家,利比亞的人均GDP達到了將近一萬五千美元,在世界各國的排名中並不低,但 由於缺乏能夠提供大量就業機會的生產制造業和服務業,利比亞的失業率達到了近30%。雖然利比亞的主權財富基金據說達到了600-700億美元的規模,但在利比亞首都的街頭上垃圾成堆,即使是賓館也顯得破敗不堪。去年,利比亞宣布將在未來三年投資1300億美元用於基礎設施建設,但群眾的不滿已經日益顯露,社會矛盾越發尖銳。此外,由於卡扎菲長期奉行小企業私有,大企業國有的政策,石油開採、煉化等主要行業,更不用說政府部門等工作機會一直控制在以卡扎菲家族為首的基於的黎波裡的貝尼?希拉爾(Beni Hilal)部族手中,普通百姓的生活並不富裕。而由於利比亞較為特殊的歷史文化傳統和現實社會結構,卡扎菲執政以來,部族是利比亞僅存的社會組織結構,其他各類社會組織,包括工會等都被取締。在利比亞部族人員對部族的忠誠遠遠超過了對國家的忠誠。在卡扎菲統治的四十余年中強力的壓制了其他部族的發展,特別是人數眾多的、以東部城市昔蘭尼加為主要據點的另一大部族貝尼?薩利姆(Beni Salim)的發展。利比亞長期以來根深蒂固的部族矛盾在外力的觸發下發展成為內戰。

  其次,卡扎菲41年的鐵腕統治“子承父業”的接班態勢使國內各方十分不滿。

  此次中東北非亂局一個比較突出的特點是群眾對個人長期執政的厭惡,對家族政治、“子承父業”的嚴重不滿,埃及是這樣,利比亞也是這樣。

  1969年,在年僅27歲的卡扎菲領導下推翻了時任國王伊德裡斯,建立了利比亞阿拉伯共和國(后在1977年改名為大阿拉伯利比亞人民社會主義民眾國,The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya)。40余年來,這位特立獨行的領導人在內外事務方面都表現出了他的強硬。比如,多次提出但無果而終的與埃及、突尼斯、敘利亞的合並﹔多次出兵乍得等。更為重要的是,近年來卡扎菲著力培養他的兒子賽義夫?伊斯蘭?卡扎菲(Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi)接班的態勢非常明顯,有專家表示,賽義夫?卡扎菲已經擔負起領導國家的責任。在國際事務方面,由於他在英國接受教育的背景以及與西方各界的廣泛聯系,使得近年來利比亞與西方的關系得到一定程度的改善﹔在國內事務方面,他宣稱要建設免稅區,要開發1200多公裡的地中海沿岸,要把利比亞建設成北非的迪拜等等。事實上,在此次利比亞內戰中他也多次代表卡扎菲發表電視講話,並表示即便“血流成河”也誓不退縮。可以說,卡扎菲家族統治已經使利比亞人民厭惡和不滿,群眾尋求改變。

  第三,受到左鄰右舍突尼斯和埃及群眾運動的鼓舞,大批的反對派走向街頭,而卡扎菲對群眾採取了強硬的鎮壓手段,激化了矛盾。

  40年來,雖然國內矛盾重重、挑戰不斷,但強人鐵腕統治下的利比亞國內一直沒有發生過對卡扎菲政權有致命影響的事件。此次利比亞的亂局,直接的觸點是突尼斯和埃及的群眾運動取得進展,激發了利比亞反對派的斗爭熱情。在各方反對力量的號召下,大批的群眾走向街頭,向卡扎菲政權發起挑戰。此外,由於卡扎菲長期的特立獨行,在周邊特別是阿拉伯世界樹敵太多,太孤立,難以得到有效援助,使得國內抗議活動進一步擴展蔓延。在這一點上阿盟國家對卡扎菲的態度就是明証。

  最后,國外勢力對反對派的支持使得內戰最終爆發。

  如果說在中東北非變局之初美國現政府還處於被動、觀望的狀態,那麼當利比亞發生大規模抗議活動的時候美國已經採取了積極主動的政策,並且還在“兩面下注”。有消息指出,利比亞反對派領袖曾經與美國駐利比亞大使通話,通報了反對派內部的情況,美駐利大使詢問了是否需要武器支持等。美國國務卿希拉裡?克林頓也明確表示,在她訪問突尼斯和埃及時會與利比亞反對派就有關事宜進行會談。可以說,如果沒有西方國家或明或暗的支持,利比亞民眾的抗議活動不會演變成內戰,並且愈演愈烈。

  同時我們也看到,美國等西方國家在對利問題上意見並不統一。雖然以法英美為首的西方國家對利比亞的空中打擊已經開始,並有報道說數百人的英國特種部隊已經進入利比亞,法國甚至聲稱要開展“斬首行動”,但美國已經明確表示了反對。究其原因主要有三點,一方面卡扎菲的統治有其國內基礎,有眾多的部族、軍隊支持他,這與當初的薩達姆在伊拉克的情況不同﹔另一方面,通過近十來年的努力,卡扎菲一定程度上緩和了與西方的關系,比如他公開譴責911事件﹔主動宣布不發展大規模殺傷性武器﹔承擔了以洛克比空難為代表的幾起空難事件的責任並主動賠償等﹔最重要的一點是美國深陷阿富汗和伊拉克兩個戰場,特別是有在伊拉克陷入部族矛盾漩渦的教訓后,美國更加謹慎和明智。同時金融危機也傷及美國經濟的元氣,美國不願意、也不能夠開辟一個新的利比亞戰場。但是,我們很遺憾地看到,以法國為首的西方國家在對利問題上“綁架”聯合國安理會1973號決議,使利比亞局勢更加復雜化,造成了更多平民傷亡,已經引起包括阿盟、非盟以及利比亞國內大多數民眾的反對。

  時至今日,利比亞的內亂已一月有余,並有由內戰升級為抗戰的態勢。面對著每天的流血沖突和平民傷亡,大家都關心這場戰爭什麼時候、會以什麼樣的方式結束。有觀點認為,這主要取決於兩方面的因素:一是利比亞國內部族力量的分化組合﹔二是西方國家下一步的舉措。這兩個因素互相交織。在利比亞國內方面,由於西方的不明智介入,已經大大激發了國內各派的反抗西方的情緒,如果卡扎菲繼續得到利國內主要部族的支持,以法國為首的西方干涉將難以平息局勢。即便法國等西方國家最終利用軍事優勢推翻卡扎菲政權,也隻會在該地區制造出更多不穩定的因素,這將是美國所不願意看到的。就西方國家下一步的政策來說,他們追求的是利用高科技手段速戰速決,西方國家、特別是美國直接派地面部隊進入利比亞的可能性不大。最主要的原因有兩點:一是不符合奧巴馬政府不斷從中東地區撤出戰斗部隊的政策﹔二是擔心直接介入會激起中東阿拉伯國家人民對美國和西方更進一步的反感(事實証明的確如此,西方軍事打擊開始后,大批的利比亞人民走上街頭,反對西方干涉),特別是擔心極端勢力把利比亞變成第二個阿富汗。在美國不願挑頭的情況下,法英是否能夠真正扛起軍事打擊利比亞的大旗還是未知數。因此,有觀點認為,美國等西方國家極有可能追求一種帶有兩面性的政策,一方面通過有限的軍事打擊和對反對派的物質支持(包括武器、資金、給養等)來平衡利比亞國內力量,增加西方國家與卡扎菲和反對派討價還價的砝碼以謀取更大利益﹔另一方面通過聯合國授權下的維和行動,隔離沖突雙方,開展談判。但其最終目的隻有一個,就是削弱和制衡利比亞。有分析家表示,一個一分為二甚至一分為三的利比亞在西方國家看來更符合他們的利益。現在斷定利比亞內亂的最終得益者是誰還為時過早,但輸家已經很明確,就是利比亞人民。(北京大學國際關系學院 虎翼雄)                                             (責任編輯:付龍)

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我睇新聞話佢行錯一步,
就係信錯西方國家, 同西方國家友好,
點知原來氹左佢之後, 到危急關頭, 個個即刻同佢劃清界線,
之前又游說佢放棄大殺傷力武器, 致令佢今日手無寸鐵, 落荒而逃

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本帖最後由 從未認.真 於 11-10-30 09:19 PM 編輯
花o靚ken 發表於 11-10-30 09:12 PM
我睇新聞話佢行錯一步,
就係信錯西方國家, 同西方國家友好,
點知原來氹左佢之後, 到危急關頭, 個個即刻同佢 ...


呢點我覺得可圈可點...

唔放棄大殺傷力武器,又係一個籍口比西方國家制裁/出兵攻力
伊拉克係其中一個例子...
雖然最後都搵唔到武器...

而放棄左既下場,就係西方國家無後顧之憂...

所以佢最大問題都係戀棧權位,處理唔到內患問題
加上時勢:茉莉花革命...



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From the February 16 riots occurred since Libya has become civil war, social unrest and armed intervention in the West that are likely to further intensify, upgrade, tens of hundreds of civilians killed in the conflict. Libya has far greater chaos Tunisia and Egypt. Preliminary analysis of the causes of the chaos of Libya, is generally believed that the following points:

First, and most fundamental reason is that Libya's social conflicts, especially the obvious contradiction between tribal, high unemployment rate.

According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the statistical report, 2010, Libya's oil industry accounts for 95% of exports, is a quarter of its GDP. As the largest country in Africa's oil reserves, Libya's per capita GDP reached nearly 15,000 U.S. dollars, ranking in the world is not low, but the lack of employment opportunities can provide a large number of manufacturing and services production, unemployment in Libya rate of nearly 30%. Although Libya's sovereign wealth fund is said to reach 600-700 billion dollars in size, but in the Libyan capital's streets and piles of refuse, even hotels have become dilapidated. Last year, Libya announced that it will invest $ 130 billion the next three years for infrastructure, but public discontent has become increasingly apparent, more and more acute social conflicts. In addition, Gaddafi to pursue long-term private small businesses, large state-owned policy, oil exploration, refining and other major industries, not to mention the work of government departments and other opportunities have been controlled by Gaddafi in Tripoli-based family-led Beni? Hilal (Beni Hilal) tribes in the hands of ordinary people's lives is not rich. And because Libya is unique historical and cultural traditions and the reality of social structures, Gaddafi came to power, Libya's only tribal social structure, other types of social organizations, including trade unions, etc. are banned. Tribesmen in Libya on tribal loyalty far more than loyalty to the country. Gaddafi rule in 40 years in the strong suppression of the development of other tribes, especially the large number of, to the eastern city of Cyrenaica as the main stronghold of the other major tribes Beni? Salem (Beni Salim) of development. Libya has long been entrenched in the tribal conflicts triggered by external forces to develop into civil war.

Secondly, Gaddafi's iron-fisted rule and 41 years, "inherited his father's" succession so that domestic parties very unhappy situation.

The chaos in the East and North Africa is characterized by a more prominent people dislike the individual long-term governance of family politics, "inherited his father's" serious dissatisfaction is the case in Egypt, Libya as well.

In 1969, only 27 years old, under the leadership of Muammar Gaddafi overthrew King Idris when he established the Libyan Arab Republic (renamed in 1977 after the great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya .) 40 years, the maverick leader in internal and external affairs have shown his toughness. For example, many times but without result with Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, the merger; repeatedly sent troops to Chad. More importantly, in recent years Gaddafi's son Saif efforts to train him? Islam? Gaddafi (Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi) take over the situation is very obvious, some experts said, Saif? Gaddafi has assume the responsibility of leading the country. In international affairs, because of his background of education in the UK and widespread contacts with the West, making the relations with the West in recent years, Libya has been improved to some extent; in domestic affairs, he vowed to build tax-free zone, to develop the 1200 kilometers of Mediterranean coast, we should build into North Africa, Libya, Dubai and so on. In fact, in the civil war in Libya, Gaddafi, he also has represented a televised speech, and said that even if the "rivers of blood" is also refusing to back down. It can be said, the ruling family has made Qaddafi the Libyan people hate and discontent, people seek change.

Third, by neighbors Tunisia and Egypt inspired a mass movement, a large number of opposition to the streets, while Gaddafi for people to take a tough repression, intensified the conflict.

40 years, although the domestic contradictions, challenges continue, but under the iron rule of the Libyan strongman has not occurred in the domestic regime of Gaddafi lethal effects of the event. The chaos in Libya, Tunisia and the direct contact of the mass movement has made progress in Egypt, the Libyan opposition's struggle to stimulate enthusiasm. In the call of opposition parties, a large number of people took to the streets to challenge the Gaddafi regime. In addition, long-term maverick Gaddafi, the Arab world, especially in the periphery too many enemies, too isolated, difficult to get effective assistance, making further expansion of domestic protests spread. At this point the attitude of Arab League countries is proof of Gaddafi.

Finally, the support of foreign forces in the opposition makes the final civil war broke out.

If the change in the situation in East and North Africa at the beginning of the current U.S. government has a passive, wait state, then when the large-scale protests in Libya when the United States has taken a proactive policy, and also "hedge." Sources pointed out that the Libyan opposition leader who calls the U.S. ambassador in Libya, informed the situation within the opposition, the U.S. ambassador in Lee asked whether weapons support. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary? Clinton made it clear that, in her visit to Tunisia and Egypt and Libya will hold talks with the opposition on the matter. Can say that if there is no overt or covert Western support for the Libyan people's protest will not turn into a civil war, and intensified.

We also see that the U.S. and other Western countries in the views on the issue of interest is not uniform. Although Western countries led by France Anglo-American air strikes against Libya has begun, and it is reported that hundreds of British special forces have entered Libya, France and even claim to carry out "decapitation operations", but the U.S. has made clear that the opposition. There are three main reasons, one Gaddafi's rule has its domestic base, there are many tribes, the military support him, which is the original Saddam Hussein in Iraq's situation is different; the other hand, through the last ten years efforts, Gaddafi to some extent eased relations with the West, for example, he publicly condemned the September 11 attacks; initiative that we do not develop weapons of mass destruction; assumed the Lockerbie air disaster, represented by several of responsibility and initiative compensation; the most important point is that the United States bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, two battlefields, especially those caught in tribal conflicts in Iraq, the lessons of the vortex, the United States more cautious and wise. While the financial crisis hurt the U.S. economy's vitality, the United States do not want to, not able to open up a new Libya battlefield. However, we regret to see that the Western countries led by France on the issue in Lee "kidnapping" the UN Security Council Resolution 1973, the Libyan situation more complicated, resulting in more civilian casualties, including the Arab League has given rise to non- EU and Libya, most domestic public opposition.

Today, Libya has more than one month of strife, and have upgraded to the war by the civil war situation. Face of the daily bloodshed and civilian casualties, we are concerned about the war when, in what way will end. The idea that, depending on two factors: First, divide the power of the Libyan national tribal mix; two Western countries next step. These two factors intertwined. In Libya, China, since the West would be unwise to intervene, has been greatly stimulated domestic factions against Western sentiment, if Gaddafi continues to be interest in major tribal support to the French-led Western intervention will be difficult to calm the situation. Even France and other Western countries, the use of military superiority eventually overthrow Gaddafi regime in the region will only create more instability, it will be the United States want to see. Next on the policy of Western countries, they use high-tech means to pursue the quick fix, the Western countries, especially the United States directly to sending ground forces into Libya is unlikely. There are two main reasons: First, do not meet the Obama administration continue to withdraw combat troops from the Middle East policy; the second is concerned directly involved in the Arab Middle East will provoke the people of the United States and the West to further resentment (which proved Indeed, the Western military strikes began, a large number of Libyan people took to the streets to oppose Western interference), in particular, worried that extremist forces to Libya become a second Afghanistan. In the United States do not want to pick the first case, France and Britain can really carry the banner of military strikes against Libya is still unknown. Thus, the view that the United States and other Western countries is likely to pursue a policy with two sides, on the one hand a limited military strike by the opposition and material support (including arms, money, supplies, etc.) to balance the domestic forces of Libya, increase in Western countries with Gaddafi and the opposition bargaining chips to gain greater benefits; the other hand, under the authority through the United Nations peacekeeping operations, isolate the conflict, negotiations. However, only one of its ultimate goal is to weaken the checks and balances Libya. Some analysts said that a split into two or even three of Libya in the West seems more in line with their interests. Now conclude that the ultimate beneficiaries of the Libyan civil strife Who is too early, but the loser has been very clear that the Libyan people. (Institute of International Relations, Peking male tiger wing) (Editor: Fu-Long)

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