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樓上話物價上升
當你收入升上了10%
你物資成本上只升了5%,你還是有著數的

和大陸簽左份野,個英文我唔識寸,大約係咩緊什麼
雖然說整體上gdp係上升,但人工還是沒什麼升,甚至還降了
因為餅做大了,但可分享到成果都只老闆級多
點解公司收入增,人工沒什麼加,主要是當中還沒計算人的貪婪


物價每年都升.相信大家比對返舊時就知
現在的人要資產保值,不是求人工加高,
不竟大家都知世界無幾多個好老闆
所以大家保值都係自己投資一些東西去決定

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屌 收皮喇 你不如整個最低工資公投 28蚊嬴硬 講真28蚊你估真係多呀? 戇鳩鳩 自己一個月只知幾多萬你梗係唔知低下階層發生梗乜事喇
最撚衰都係地產商 正一仆街 整高d地皮樓價租金 如果唔係20蚊一個鐘都攪掂你
班仆街高層仆街商人 聽天收喇!

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原帖由 wongyinho 於 10-10-19 07:07 PM 發表
樓上成班傻仔 你地多唔多33元有幾大後果
你地唔好後悔 我唔係話加人工唔得
但係你地知唔知一加人工 通脹勁幾多?
加最低係33$  遲下影響埋1萬1個月長工個d
物價一定爆升咖 物價一向有升冇降
到時樓上個d人唔好後 ...



而家講緊最低工資係 $28呀

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原帖由 糗豪 於 10-10-19 08:03 PM 發表
屌 收皮喇 你不如整個最低工資公投 28蚊嬴硬 講真28蚊你估真係多呀? 戇鳩鳩 自己一個月只知幾多萬你梗係唔知低下階層發生梗乜事喇
最撚衰都係地產商 正一仆街 整高d地皮樓價租金 如果唔係20蚊一個鐘都攪掂你
班仆 ...

我想講佢唔止幾萬一個月...

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it is reasonable...

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原帖由 yinyinman 於 10-10-19 07:23 PM 發表
佢地冇讀經濟係咁 市場唔受到干預 先係對社會最好


CE level經濟學者

有讀過econ既人都應該知道 econ 好多野都係假設
唔好以為有讀個econ就好似成個世界都跟住本econ書咁行先得架

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十週年勳章(賀詞) 玩過星曲WEB

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講真你話定係33$ 一定唔小人比人抄 仲要到時一個人做幾個人既野
冇工番個d人食屎??  到時冇工番個d人自願唔要33/h 要30/h咪又係個條數 之後又低d
仲有你估33$ 冇咩學歷/身體有缺憾d人仲有人請? 咁到時佢地要拎政府錢先過到活
獲得最低工資既得益只係小數人
其他就係冇野做個班囉

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不如咁講人工24$係合理,樓上講
從老闆級睇係 20$都合理,點先叫唔合理
係老闆眼中,唔夠你食飯咁就叫唔合理
即係每日工資100$都叫合理,因為100$係夠你食飯

現在從租金方面都係合理的
100$呎到,又唔係要求你幾千$呎(我係指普遍組金,唔好同我講d多人地段)
如果從業主方面睇,點先叫唔合理就係
租金比買一個單位更貴時咁先叫唔合理
現在老闆級去怪租金高
其實同打工仔覺得人工低係一樣

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十週年勳章(賀詞) 玩過星曲WEB 笑傲無雙 忍影世界

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睇下佢個樣串到..........

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原帖由 sai888 於 10-10-19 07:09 PM 發表
首先一件事
係30$是否合適生活
從經驗所得,時間同人工掛釣會影響生活質數
所以前題不是30$是否合適,因他還要受到工時影響
所以應該結合工資和工時才可得到生活的數值
假如30$只是每天上班8小時,一個月返26日
他 ...


10小時完成既工作 , 而家得8 小時比你去做
一係做唔哂 , 一係影響質素
不過我都認為 最低工資係要同最高工時結合作用先會發揮到更好既作用

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我係老闆洗唔洗人工要高到比你供到層樓?
你可以選擇做/唔做  唔鍾意搵份高人工囉 點解要立最低工資?

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原帖由 yinyinman 於 10-10-19 08:12 PM 發表
講真你話定係33$ 一定唔小人比人抄 仲要到時一個人做幾個人既野
冇工番個d人食屎??  到時冇工番個d人自願唔要33/h 要30/h咪又係個條數 之後又低d
仲有你估33$ 冇咩學歷/身體有缺憾d人仲有人請? 咁到時佢地要拎政府 ...

定28$唔炒人??
唔定最低工資就唔炒人???
你搞笑???
即使唔定最低工資,一樣會炒人

定係28$一樣會炒
只係波及到的位置會少一點
沒33$高

定24$都會炒人
因為有人得20$工資,咁20$果團一樣會炒
高人工果團一樣會炒,因為佢可請返d平價人手

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咁我咪話唔定咪最好囉 你諗下定左會抄得多人 定冇定會抄得多人

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原帖由 yinyinman 於 10-10-19 08:17 PM 發表
我係老闆洗唔洗人工要高到比你供到層樓?
你可以選擇做/唔做  唔鍾意搵份高人工囉 點解要立最低工資?

8千一個月都唔夠供樓
我現在只係講
最低工資係生活保障
即係最少都夠你租屋住,同食
只果一份工資,只係夠食就唔夠住,夠住就唔夠食
咁重叫最低工資嗎??

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你唔理佢 佢請10個 你搞佢請5個 咁其他個5個去左邊呢??

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原帖由 潮文先生 於 10-10-19 08:16 PM 發表


10小時完成既工作 , 而家得8 小時比你去做
一係做唔哂 , 一係影響質素
不過我都認為 最低工資係要同最高工時結合作用先會發揮到更好既作用

首先你有少少唔明,最高工時個問題
佢唔係強制你做8個鐘就收工
係做夠8個鐘後,你有一個選擇權o唔ot咁

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原帖由 yinyinman 於 10-10-19 08:20 PM 發表
你唔理佢 佢請10個 你搞佢請5個 咁其他個5個去左邊呢??

我屋企公司就請開3個到
就算定係33$都無影響
佢地個個都過萬一個月

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原帖由 潮文先生 於 10-10-19 08:10 PM 發表


CE level經濟學者

I think it is ALevel knowledge....
btw, I think we should not intervene in this way despite the fact the market is always said to be at equilibium according to steven cheung..
but I think other means of competition will be raised by the implementation of the minimum wage...
For those who are interested ,here comes my project done in the light of AL economics knowledge in last year which is about minimum wage..( some pictures are not included...it is too troublesome for me to unload them )



Minimum Wage Legislation

One of the most heated topics in Hong Kong - Minimum Wage Legislation
What is Minimum Wage? Does it bring benefits or do harms to the Hong Kong labour market ?If it is implemented, what would be the optimum wage rate? All these questions are discussed in the News and almost all kinds of media, and widely raised by legislators, Government officials, economists, & even the grassroots of HK.
Why is this so important? What kind of economic theories are induced in this topic?
Our group aim to lead this topic into a further discussion, and use well established economics theories to explain it.
In general public view, minimum wage law is good for those with very low wage. This law will help them to increase their wage. By calculation, if minimum wage is set on $30, those with wages lower than $30 will benefit. But in the real situation, that is not so simple. From the point of view of economics, society will be at equilibrium only when Pareto condition is reached which is a maximized condition.
In the Pareto condition, the price and quantity of transaction is in equilibrium. There is no tendency in changing . In a free market, there are no restrictions: sellers and buyers can find their own equilibrium. Which means employees will get a wage that the employers are willing to pay, and the employees are willing to receive. Just as shown in this diagram. P1 and Q1 will be the equilibrium. However, if minimum wage law is implemented, the equilibrium will change and a dissipation of rent will be generated. As shown in the diagram, the new equilibrium will be at P2 and Q2 and the area shaded red will be the dissipation of rent. But why is this part being called the dissipation of rent? This is because the price is fixed at a level higher than the original equilibrium, excess demand exists and non-price competitions will be arisen in order to find a job. Such as shoe shinning, giving presents to the boss and so on. As these kinds of competitions would not benefit anyone, the effort made will be wasted. Besides if the government do not regulate well, black market may emerge. Some labour may be willing to receive a price at P3. This is a price even lower than before, so those poor people may not benefit or they may even be worse off. As shown in the diagram, a firm will decide the quantity of employment according to the MRP of labour where MRP intersects with the wage rate. Therefore, an increase in wage rate will cause the firm to employ a lower quantity with a higher requirement on productivity. Because MRP measures the products of MR and MP. MR is the marginal revenue of the selling goods which cannot be controlled directly by labour, while MP is the marginal product of labour. That’s why a labour can increase his MRP by increasing productivity. If the minimum wage law is set, the number of employment will fall from Q1 to Q2 and the point where W cross MRP will be higher. As a result, those with lower productivity will be surely fired. But those with lower productivity are usually elderly and they are not able to live if they lose their job. Does minimum wage law really benefit poor? We really need to re-think it. While to  society, there is a deadweight loss generated, which is represented by the area shaded black in the diagram. Since MV doesn’t equal to MC, more can be gain by the society. But due to the minimum wage law, the part of deadweight loss cannot be gained by anyone in society. Other than dissipation of rent and the deadweight loss, from another point of view, the minimum wage law is actually benefiting those large companies. “Are you kidding?” Maybe you will ask, but no, I am serious. To start with, we need to talk about the effects of minimum wage law to the firms. Due to the increase of wage, the cost of firms will increase. Therefore, the rent of a firm will fall. In a market, there are lots of different firms. Some are marginal firms and some are intra-marginal firms. For intra-marginal firms, they are usually large firms, these firms gain a large amount of rent and these rent may come from brand names, some business secret or they may have some unique plants or machineries. Since rent is defined as the amount that can be taxed away which will not affect the decision making of the firm owner. Therefore, those large firms will not close down since the amount of rent decreased is insignificant to the rent of these large firms. However, to some marginal firms or firms with low rent, the decrease of rent may cause them to have a negative rent, then they will close down inevitably. In this case, a number of small firms will close down. And the competition of larger firms will decrease. Which is quite beneficial to the large firms.









Conclusion
After all these diagrams, explanations & theories, should we let the law pass?
The implementation of Minimum Wage leads to the dissipation of rent, & will induce non-price competition, which in turn causes a higher rate of unemployment.
The findings are supported by economists. After considering the effects of passing the law, Government officials should THINK TWICE before implementing Minimum Wage. At the mean time, in order to protect the benefits of both the employers and labour, economists, or even economics students, try & work out a solution that will lead us to build a wealthy, prosperous Hong Kong.

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最低工資係可以保障生活但保障只係小數囉
例如佢本身人工22佢請10個人 你變左28佢只係會請7個人
工作量/時間仲會多左 10個人既野變7個人做
咁受為既咪可以計續做個7個囉
其如3個咁咪連生活都生活唔到?
到時咪又係做廢人拎政府錢

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你本身高過33$當然冇問題啦 係33$下先關事
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